"FAKE
LV BAGS-SCAM||321068"
I PURCHASE SPEEDY FROM
VITO BORKER 2754 CONEY ISLAND PMB 48 BROOKLYN NY 646-261-9616
IT WAS FAKE. HE WOULD NOT GIVE MONEY BACK AND HE DID
NOT SEND ME THE COMPLETE ORDER WHEN I CALLED HE HUNG
UP ON ME AND WOULD NOT CONTACT ME."2002-10-09
CANDY"
"FAKE LV BAGS-SCAM||321141"
Hi Angie 1531, Did you buy the bag directly
from Vito or through an eBay auction. If he sold you
the bag through eBay, go through eBay's Fraud and Prevention
section under eBay's Safe Harbor. If you bought it directly
from Vito, call the authorities. He has defrauded you,
and also committed trademark infringement by selling
counterfeit goods. Keep in touch with us on this important
issue!! Regards, Carol"2002-10-09 Carol"
"FAKE LV BAGS-SCAM||321144"
I am so sorry this happened to you. Something
like this really makes you lose faith in people really
quick! How did you pay for the item? If it is by credit
card, immediately contact your credit card company and
file a "chargeback". Explain what happened
and tell them you were under the impression the bag was
authentic and it turned out to be a fake and that the
seller refuses to contact you. IF you paid via money
order, find out when the seller cashed the check and
immediately file mail fraud charges with the US Postal
Inspector. Go to your local post office and get the forms
or go to www.usps.com and I believe you can file a complaint
online (sorry...I don't know the exact link to get to
the form. Just search their web site). Good luck and
let us know what happens! "2002-10-09 nvancamp"
"FAKE LV BAGS-SCAM||321181"
How long ago did this occur? All of the
other posts to you contain important information that
is needed for us to be able to help you. We will do all
we can! Also, visit my "fraud" page ttp://www.mypoupette.com/fraud.html
for additional resources. Wishing you the best. "2002-10-09
Poupette"
"Scams on eBay||322110"
Re: Scams on eBay, here is one I experienced.
I won an auction for an Authentic Babylone Bag. I was
fortunate to get it for a great price and I absolutely
love it. After the auction was over, I was contacted
by a man who said he was on vacation and missed the end
of the auction. He wanted me to sell him my babylone
bag! (When does hell freeze over?) I told him I did not
deal outside of auctions on eBay. I wish I had kept the
email so I could let people know who he is. I contacted
the lady I bought the purse from, and she was as shocked
as I was that someone would do this. She thought it might
be a Credit Card scam. Has any other Louis Vuitton lover
been approached like this? The more we can shed light
on these creeps the less power they will have."2002-10-11
lynloveslouislouis"
"LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!||318200"
TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE? BECAUSE IT'S NOT,
DO NOT SHOP FROM WWW.LVSHOPPER.COM, THEY ARE FAKES NO
MATTER WHAT THE SELLER SAYS! THANKS FOR THE HELP, GUYS,
I ALMOST GOT RIPPED OFF!!!!!"2002-10-03 CRYSTAL"
"LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!||318225"
Thanks for the warning!! This is the
kind of information everybody in the online LV market
needs to know. There are so many others out there. I
ask everyone to beware of them."2002-10-03 Poupette"
"LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!||320668"
Has this web site been reported to Vuitton's
counterfeit department? This web site is going down!!!!!!!!! "2002-10-08
nvancamp"
"LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!||320737"
Yes, the link has been sent to LV. Thanks
for looking out for potential buyers. "2002-10-08
Poupette"
"LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!||320768"
I can't believe that this site is still
up and running!! It makes me sick! They even use real
pictures and models from real LV ads! Sickening isn't
it? "2002-10-08 Claudia"
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"HELP||317920"
I was wondering if you could tell me
if the price of Louis Vuitton merchandise varies by country?
For example, do you think it would be less expensive
to buy a LV handbag in Mexico or France than in America?
Also, I don't know if you could answer this, but why
will the fake LV leather never oxidize? I received the
Papillon as a gift from my boyfriend's parents after
a trip they took to Europe and I am not sure if the bag
is real or not. I don't want to ask and am WAY too embarrassed
to take into the store. The leather looks okay, but I
just noticed that the design of the LV is completely
different on the other side (designs are going up instead
of pointing down) It almost looks as if the leather was
wrapped from one side to the other. Do you think it is
the way the bag was made? Also, the lining is suede?
Is this the French way? Thanks so much for your help.
I don't know if you can answer all these questions, but
I appreciate it anyway. I am dying to know what the story
is on my purse. Thanks. "2002-10-02 Kim"
"HELP||318116"
Yes, the price of LV can vary by country,
but the price within each country's boutiques should
be the same. I have attempted to collect prices of certain
items from various countries, but that project is coming
along slowly. I cannot yet tell you which country has
the lowest price. Perhaps someone else can expound on
that. Louis Vuitton uses a special patented treatment
on their leather that allows it to gain a patina over
time. Leather that does not have this treatment will
not turn. (And that is assuming it is even leather.)
As far as the pattern of the monogram on some bags, it
is quite normal for LV to use ONE swatch of fabric to
design a bag or wallet. When this is done, it will appear
right-side up on one side and upside down on the other.
There are some bags where the monogram is specifically
cut to be right-side up on all sides. You will typically
find a place where the stitching has brought those sides
together. The design on the side seams should mirror
each other. The interior of the bag should be lined with
leather. "2002-10-02 Poupette"
"HELP||318294"
I'm not an expert, but I was going to
say that there are a couple things to consider with LV
prices in other countries. One great example - in the
fall of 2000, my sister and I went to Germany and she
bought a Sac Plat in the LV Munich store for just over
$300...it retails here for $550. At the time, the Deutschmark
was 2.5 to the Dollar, and the US economy was much stronger.
Of course, with the Euro in place, it basically means
that 1 US dollar = 1 Euro, with slight fluctuations.
You really can't get a good deal on LV in countries using
the Euro anymore. It can also really depend on how a
certain country's economy is doing...the one exception
would be Japan, their prices are the highest. That's
why so many Japanese buy Vuitton when they travel abroad,
they can get a good deal compared to what they pay at
home."2002-10-03 Alexis"
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"Aussie prices||320582"
Hello again and thanks for replying
to my own post. Are you still collecting retail prices
of LV? I made a price check on the LV shop up in Sydney
(im in Canberra) over the phone just a few weeks ago.
I have to call in advance to assure that they have the
particular piece available for "viewing" when
i go up to Sydney. Just send me a message if you want
Australian prices. Cheers! "2002-10-08 uncreated"
"Aussie prices||320584"
Yes, indeed! I am still looking for prices
from other countries. I had a small list, but it needed
to be updated, so I took it down. If you are able to
help with this project it would be greatly appreciated! "2002-10-08
Poupette"
Aussie prices||320606"
Cool! I'm happy to help. Just tell me
where you want these prices. Should i list them here?
I just have a very select few mostly travel/messenger
types, including the Alma and Reporter, but you could
just tell me which models you want quotes of, i'll give
them a call to find out . =) "2002-10-08 uncreated"
"Aussie prices||320714"
My preference is that you email the prices
to me, as I am gathering information from many sources.
Please ask about the Speedy 30, the large Noé ,
the large Looping and the Monogram Alma. Do include sales
tax, if you can. Thanks very much! "2002-10-08 Poupette"
"Aussie prices||322427"
Taiwan prices: Hi Angie, my cousin is
a flight attendent for Singapore Airlines. She travels
between Los Angeles, Taiwan, and Singapore all the time.
She's also a LV craze. Would you be interested in collecting
pricing info from Taiwan? I'm not sure if there's an
LV store in Singapore, but Taiwan for sure because I
was born there."2002-10-11 Lily"
"Aussie prices||322442"
I would be absolutely delighted to have
this information. I am only requesting it on the items
I listed in my second 10/8/02 post to "uncreated." There
are LV shops in Singapore. Please send the information
to me directly at services@mypoupette.com. Thanks so
much! "2002-10-11 Poupette"
"Monogram Mat Willwood||319328"
Hi, You web site is a life saver! Keep
up the terrific work. I am considering purchasing the
Monogrammed Mat Willwood under eBay item #965738522.
I have examined the layout of the LV logos - looks correct.
The seller said the date code begins with the letter
CA (I have requested the entire code). What do you think;
does it appear authentic? Are the letters CA valid? Thank
you for any help you can provide. Barb "2002-10-06
Barb"
"Monogram Mat Willwood||319352"
I admit that I am not sure what conclusions
to draw from a seller who sells guns and purses, but
judging from this seller's feedback, he has no unhappy
customers. He has sold a handful of LV items with tags
still on them. This would make me wonder where they came
from. Although the seller says not to bother him with
questions of authenticity, I would. I would want to know
where the item came from, why it is being sold so cheap,
where it was manufactured and the date code. I would
also want a photo of the interior and bottom of the bag.
I am not very familiar with the mat line, but do compare
with eLUXURY's photo. That brings me to another point...I
hesitate to buy from sellers who use photos from eLUXURY
or LV'S web site, since I am not certain of what I am
purchasing. Other opinions are welcome. "2002-10-06
Poupette"
"Monogram Mat Willwood||319432"
Hi, This is Carol speaking and I just
had to get my two cents worth in. I have never seen a
Monogram Mat in person, but if you are considering bidding
on this auction, please reread the auction. Seller of
this auction has a Buy It Now of $800 on this this new "never
used" bag. Then I went to eLUXURY.com. LV's retail
price is $1090 on their web site, and in American LV
stores. There is no way seller can be satisfied w/BIN
of $800 and lose almost $300 on a brand new authentic
bag. Please be very careful. Carol "2002-10-06 Carol "
Monogram Mat Willwood||320610"
I agree with Poupette's statement on
being hesitant on buying a Vuitton from a seller who
will not take the time and photograph their own product
and steal photos from the eluxury or Vuitton web sites.
It seems a little fishy to me. I have a friend who just
came back from a trip to Hong Kong and she said that
the monogram mat is already being counterfeited. It was
plentiful over there and they are THAT convincing (if
you do not know how to spot the real vs. the fake). I
would ask questions because remember it is your money
you are spending. "2002-10-08 nvancamp"
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"URGENT ANSWER NEEDED||320841"
Poupette, I am interested in buying
a LV Cannes which I know are out of production . I fell
in love with the anti-practical bags a few years ago
when a student but by the time I had money they were
gone. In the meantime I have purchased several other
LV items, but never forgot the Cannes. I have seen one
on eBay, being sold by one of your recommended sellers.
Could you please tell me if the following sounds right
to you...Castillan Red, model #M48037, lined in red Alcantara
suede, 8 inches by 8 inches. I am waiting for a response
from the buyer as to the condition of the outside of
the bag as she has stated the strap & inside are
in great condition. She also guarantees authenticity.
Could you please let me have your comments. Also can
I provide the sellers name to get additional feedback
on if she sells good condition LV? I was concerned that
she had some negative feedback in eBay. Megan "2002-10-09"
"URGENT ANSWER NEEDED||321004"
I believe Epi Cannes has not discountinued.
The current price is around $650. If you want to buy
a new one, you may call 1-866-VUITTON to see any of your
local Vuittons have it in stock. Some Vuitton do ship
items for customers. Hope this helps. "2002-10-09
Sam"
"URGENT ANSWER NEEDED||321146"
I agree with the above-post. The epi
cannes is still listed in the current LV catalog. It
retails for $650 according to the catalog. Good luck!
It's a cute bag! "2002-10-09 nvancamp"URGENT
ANSWER NEEDED||321176
The model number and color both sound
correct. If you wish to email me privately about this,
feel free! "2002-10-09 Poupette"
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"Epi Help!!!||321911"
Can you please look at thie epi Noé on
eBay 967551839, and give me your opinion. I have asked
the seller about authenticity and she said she guarentees
it or money back, but it's the second time she's listed
the bag and she just emailed me an offer.....Thank you"2002-10-10
Diana"
"Epi Help!!!||321948"
Hmm....I will be quite honest with you
that I feel a bit uncomfortable with this auction. If
you notice her previous auctions, she sold a FAKE Vuitton
messenger bag (#962243676) at a ludicrious price (almost
retail)! Notice, that circular tag on the side of the
bag. Remember what Angie said about those tags, a good
sign of a FAKE! I leave it up to you to decide. I just
have some bad vibes about this eller and her "authentic" goods.
If she sold this bag before on eBay, and suddenly has
another one listed, that is a sign she sells counterfeits.
Let me know what you decide."2002-10-10 nvancamp"
"Epi Help!!!||321974"
This seller has only 11 feedbacks w/one
negative. I got into all of her past auctions I could:
saw another Epi Petit Noé and 2 bags w/white circular
LV tag. What are the odds of one seller w/few feedbacks
and one negative have 2 Epi Noé s to sell? Slim!!
The 2 monogram bags w/circular white LV tags indicate
you need to avoid this seller. Those small tags are on
a lot of counterfeit bags coming out of the Orient. If
you're interested in good quality authentic Epi bags,
consider Angie's Recommended Sellers. Niltiak2@aol.com
often has Epi items. "2002-10-10 Carol"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||321645"
I purchased a Mono Cabas Piano Bag on
eBay and just received the item after 3 weeks. I brought
the bag to a LV store and here's the feedback I received:
1. There is a defect(water mark) on the leather on the
bottom panel. (It appears that this bag, has been used
before). 2. The buckle hardware on the outside of the
bag (attaching the straps)does not match with the authentic
piece in the store. 3. The canvas is not the same color,
texture and quality of the bag in the store. 4. The interior
canvas is not of the same texture and feel of the bag
in the store. 5. The felt sleeve did not match that of
the bag in the store. 6. The box and ribbon appeared
not to be used. After reviewing the bag by several sales
people, the feeling was that this bag is an incredible
knock off and looks great, but to their eyes it appears
that there some question on the authenticity. There is
an option of Louis Vuitton sending this bag to California
to the authentication department, but there is a shipping
fee associated with that, and the process takes about
2-3 weeks. And, I don't know if the seller would be willing
to take the bag back after that time period. What do
I do? The seller did promise a full refund. "2002-10-10
Tracey"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||321760"
Defintely demand a full refund from the
seller. "2002-10-10 Poupette"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||321775"
Please go for the refund now! If you
have any difficulty getting your refund after communicating
directly with the seller; eBay procedures will be available
to you through Safe Harbor. The clock started ticking
as soon as your auction was over. That's why I'd like
you to go for the refund now. If you haven't printed
out a copy of your auction, do so now. I'd take pictures
of your bag, inside or out. If you have the packing materials
in which the bag arrived, save them. (We can go into
detail later if you want.) Right now contact seller to
get refund. Angie is very experienced in these matters,
and I am learning more each day. Please keep in touch!"2002-10-10
Carol"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||321917"
Yes, yes, I agree with Angie and Carol!
Please ask for a refund ASAP. Please let us know what
happens!! I'm sorry this happened to you."2002-10-10
nvancamp"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||322422"
Please don't feel stupid because when
you purchase from auction, you do so in good faith, expecting
fair treatment in return. I hope you follow through w/suggestions
given in prior message. If you have anymore questions
on how to proceed, please write. Also, just keep all
of us informed of what transpires."2002-10-11 Carol"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||322436"
I can't believe everyone is being so
wonderful!"2002-10-11 Tracey"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||322445"
Ditto what Carol said! We are here to
support you. You are not alone. "2002-10-11 Poupette"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||322501"
That's because we are wonderful!! (Couldn't
help myself!) Seriously, we really do care. Angie started
this crusade. The rest of us have picked up the flag
and joined in."2002-10-12 Carol"
"Mono Cabas Piano Bag Scandal||322409"
Thanks for your support, I feel so stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"2002-10-11
Tracey"
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Cabas piano authentication||321963"
I bought Cabas Piano directly from eBay
seller, not thru auction. I received the bag and took
it to the LV shop near me. Sales people took a look at
it and I was told that it was authentic. But they did
not examine the bag as closely as I would've liked them
to. From visiting your web site I know there are super
super fakes out there, I don't know if I should honor
their opinion 100% or to seek other form of authentication.
After reading the Poupette guide and other web site,
this seller seems very suspicious autioning brand new
LV's almost everyday. Anyone's response will be appreciated.
Thanks Christie"2002-10-10 Christie Kim"
"Cabas piano authentication||321980"
I suggest you go back to your LV store
and talk to the manager. The salepeople are wonderful
and well-intended, but don't have the years of experience
of a manager. Time is an issue on this since you bought
it from an eBay auction. For if you do find the bag is
not authentic, you will need to contact the seller. If
seller is nonresponsive, then go through eBay's Safe
Harbor. This is where time comes into play, because eBay
calculates its deadlines forvarious stages of redress
from the date of auction's end. In the meantime, please
return to the LV store to speak with the manager. Your
request will not be considered unusual. Perhaps it would
be a good idea to call for a convenient time. Please
keep in touch!"2002-10-10 Carol"
"Cabas piano authentication||322085"
It is true that are super fake LV bags
out there! They are THAT good! good! This is scarey!"2002-10-11
nvancamp"
"Cabas piano authentication||322341"
I hear they are good, but I haven't come
across one, yet...I don't think. (smile) "2002-10-11
Poupette"
HELP! I`ve been ripped off!||322758
Hi, I wanted to know if a seller on eBay
has a right to say "all sales are final". I
won item #964687158 : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=964687158
and she clearly stated that it is authentic and she also
verified authenticity though an email to me. When I received
it - it's FAKE. She now refuses to refund my money because
she says she said "all sales are final in the listing.
She misrepresented the item. What do I do now?"2002-10-12
leichan "
HELP! I`ve been ripped off!||322766
How did you pay? If you paid with a credit
card, I have been told the credit card company will refund
your money if you tell them the item is not authentic,
as represented. If you paid with a money order or check,
you should contact eBay and report the incident as a
seller violation. I would recommend that you enter feedback
immediately because this will alert future purchasers
that they should be cautious. The eBay process will take
a while and eBay doesn't particularly care if the matter
is resolved or not. Also, you can file mail fraud charges,
an online white crime investigation report, and file
a police report with your local police. Once you file
the online white crime report, your state's attorney's
general office will contact you (at least mine did).
If all else fails, you will have to file a small claims
action. I would advise you to file it in your city and
leave it up to the seller to contest the action on jurisdictional
grounds. However, in order to collect any judgments the
judgment will have to be in the state where the seller
lives, so a judgment in your state may not be that effective.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/frs-claimform.html
go to the post office and request PS Form 8165 which
is the mail fraud form Report the crime to the white
collar bureau: https://www.ifccfbi.gov However, before
you do any of this, mail the seller a letter by certified
mail with return receipt and tell him or her that, unless
you receive a refund within ten (10) days, then the above
actions will be taken. ***Most importantly, though, post
a feedback saying that the seller sold you a fake purse
that he or she represented as authentic."2002-10-12
bett1e"
HELP! I`ve been ripped off!||322823
Thank you for this very valuable information
on the board. "2002-10-12 Poupette"
Mono Twin Clutch||322881 Hi there,
pls take a look at this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=968199700
Would you consider bidding if you were me? It seems
to be is authentic but i'm not sure. I have taken a
look at eluxury for this clutch and everything seems
coordinate with the one on auction. I need your professional
judgement Angie and Carol. Thanks so much Joyce"2002-10-13
Joyce"
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"Papillon zipper||317847"
Hi Carol - I had a quick question about
a older Papillon I saw on eBay. From what I've read (I
have Poupette 's guide), the older ones had Eclair zippers.
I asked the seller if the zipper had any writing on it,
and she responded that it said "Talon". I just
wanted to know if this type was used or if that signals
a fake. Thanks! "2002-10-02 Alexis"
"Papillon zipper||318080"Hi
Redchi, It may not signal a fake if original owner had
zipper repaired by someone other than Louis Vuitton.
I don't feel comfortable rendering an opinion since I
have not examined a Papillon. I think you should ask
Angie. "2002-10-02 Carol"
"Papillon zipper||318128"
I will check out the zipper on an authentic
Papillon and get back to you asap. If others who own
an authentic Papillon can answer, please do! "2002-10-02
Poupette"
"Papillon zipper-follow up||318222"
I have confirmed that older LV models
(both French and Domestic) used both Talon and Eclair
zippers. "2002-10-03 Poupette "
"Papillon zipper||318295"
Carol - thanks for getting back to me!
If I plan on bidding, I'll definitely ask Angie and see
if she knows! "2002-10-03 Alexis"
"Papillon zipper||318333"
Hi I had an old one--the zipper said "falcon".
Another old (French Co.) bag I still have has the same
zipper. Emily "2002-10-03 emily"
"Papillon zipper||321919"
Hi! I have a friend who owns an older
model (early 90's) Papillon (large)but it has the eclair
shaped zipper with "LV" on it. Maybe you should
contact the Vuitton customer service number and find
out whether the older/vintage Papillon bags had that
particular zipper pull. Let me know because I am curious
myself."2002-10-10 nvancamp"
"Papillon zipper||321976"
See Angie's Papillon zipper follow-up
of 10-03-02."2002-10-10 Carol"
"Hardware Question||322439"
Do know if the brass hardware on the
Monogram Cabas Piano Bag has changed? The reason why
is the bag I purchased, the hardware matches the illustration
in the LV catalog, a diagonal groove in all 4 corners
of each buckle. But, at the store this hardware doesn't
have the groove and it appears to be brushed vs. a shiny
finish. My last attempt to see if this bag may be authentic."2002-10-11
Tracey"
"Hardware Question||322502"
It's possible. Did you ask them this
question at the store?"2002-10-12 Carol"
"LV hardware question||322520"
Good day to you Carol! I would just like
to ask about the hardware in LV products especially the
zippers and buttons. What's there to look out for? What
should be inscribed on them aside from the obvious "LV"?
Would they be manufactured by a different company like
YKK? Or are these easy giveaways for a fake? Thanks."2002-10-12
uncreated "
"LV hardware question||322662"
Hi! I can only address this issue in
regards to monogram. Zipper pulls have LV only on them.
Speedy zippers have leather pull-tab attached by brass
brad with Louis Vuitton on it in very small letters.
Most of the brads on my bags are like that except the
D-ring brad inside Montsouris backpack, which has LV
only on it. I think some of the old vintage monogram
bags had YKK zippers."2002-10-12 Carol"
"LV Taiga||320306"
Hello and good day from Australia! I've
recently caught the "LV bug" and would really
like to have a few pieces for personal use. I do believe
that investing in such high quality standard and the "exclusivity" it
carries is worthwhile. And buying vintage/discounted
online is the most practical for my present means. Being
male and not too keen on brown and busy prints, I'm more
interested in the Taiga (Ardoise) and black Epi lines
or even the Mono Mat collection of Louis Vuitton. It
seems that most collectors only specialize in the monogram
canvas, would you or someone you know, know more about
the Taiga line? I would just like to know the basics
in spotting an authentic piece from a fake. Being a rather
plain collection, the differences are quite subtle. Would
you know of anyone who sells Taiga or any other black
LV (new or vintage) online? Any info you could impart
would be very much appreciated. I do hope to hear from
you soon. Cheers! javier "2002-10-08 uncreated"
"LV Taiga||320427"
I really wish I had a great answer for
you, but all (both) of the Taiga pieces I have owned
have been sold. I would say that, as with any online
purchase, you want to know how the product should look
and be comfortable with the seller. If you should come
across an item of interest to you, I would be happy to
offer my humble opinion on it. If there are any owners
of authentic LV Taiga out there, we'd love to hear from
you! "2002-10-08 Poupette"
"LV Taiga||321381"
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&
query=Vuitton+taiga&cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&ht=1&from=R10&currdisp=
2&itemtimedisp=1&st=2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=
___ These are the 3 current auctions on eBay. From all
appearances, it would appear that the Taiga line is one
of the more easiest to counterffeit. You probably have
to be very careful buying it used. "2002-10-09 bett1e"
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